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	<title>Comments on: My discussions with Google re: Brand Name Bidding and Affiliate Landing Pages</title>
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		<title>By: Craig Alinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Alinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that Google is releasing their CPA program I have one question to ask: Will the same landing page rules apply to those working to promote their offers as have been applied to the affiliate marketing community?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that Google is releasing their CPA program I have one question to ask: Will the same landing page rules apply to those working to promote their offers as have been applied to the affiliate marketing community?</p>
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		<title>By: Kieron</title>
		<link>http://www.here.org.uk/2006/12/my-discussions-with-google-re-brand-name-bidding-and-affiliate-landing-pages.html#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kunle, I have some campaigns that only get a 3% ctr but still make good money. I also have some that get 65% ctr and also make good money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kunle, I have some campaigns that only get a 3% ctr but still make good money. I also have some that get 65% ctr and also make good money.</p>
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		<title>By: Kunle</title>
		<link>http://www.here.org.uk/2006/12/my-discussions-with-google-re-brand-name-bidding-and-affiliate-landing-pages.html#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Kunle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just wondering what your overall CTR is on Adwords. Or what you will term a good CTR.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many thanks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Just wondering what your overall CTR is on Adwords. Or what you will term a good CTR.</p>
<p>Many thanks!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.here.org.uk/2006/12/my-discussions-with-google-re-brand-name-bidding-and-affiliate-landing-pages.html#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kieron,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Nice post, I have to agree with you on the whole, however one point I would like to pick up on is this: If the searcher wants a Sky comparison with NTL then why shouldn't someone with exactly that on their site be able to provide it to the searcher without having to pay extortionate amounts to Google for the privilege.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Unfortunately I think Google are in some instances taking visitor value away from the user, I guess they are prepared to take the good sites down with the chaff simply to get the end result they are after.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Personally I think it is an insult that they consider charging $10 per click to do it, if that is their honest goal then they should just say we DO NOT allow brand name bidding! and that be the end of it, because what they have done smacks of greed, and they are really saying what we want when a user types in Sky is for that user to see only Sky and those people willing to pay us through the nose for the privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kieron,</p>
<p> Nice post, I have to agree with you on the whole, however one point I would like to pick up on is this: If the searcher wants a Sky comparison with NTL then why shouldn&#8217;t someone with exactly that on their site be able to provide it to the searcher without having to pay extortionate amounts to Google for the privilege.</p>
<p> Unfortunately I think Google are in some instances taking visitor value away from the user, I guess they are prepared to take the good sites down with the chaff simply to get the end result they are after.</p>
<p> Personally I think it is an insult that they consider charging $10 per click to do it, if that is their honest goal then they should just say we DO NOT allow brand name bidding! and that be the end of it, because what they have done smacks of greed, and they are really saying what we want when a user types in Sky is for that user to see only Sky and those people willing to pay us through the nose for the privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: Frostie</title>
		<link>http://www.here.org.uk/2006/12/my-discussions-with-google-re-brand-name-bidding-and-affiliate-landing-pages.html#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Frostie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have had discussions with Google, not so much about brand bidding, but the price hike in general. I am still confused as to how it appears to be one rule for one, and another rule for others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was told that in my example, "canned cat food" had been shifted from $0.75 to $10.00 due to the new quality scoring algs they have introduced. However, with an average position of 2.3, a CTR of 7.4% and a page that is dedicated to the subject I am perplexed as to what else they expect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have asked why they don't think my ad relevant to the phrase, yet the big corps such as EBay, are able to advertise the following;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bargain Canned cat food&lt;br /&gt;Fantastic low prices here.&lt;br /&gt;Feed your passion on eBay.co.uk!&lt;br /&gt;www.ebay.co.uk&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you click on the link you are sent to the following page, which in my eyes, is of no use to the end user;&lt;br /&gt;http://search.ebay.co.uk/canned-cat-food_W0QQfcclZ1QQfclZ4QQfnuZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also very much doubt EBay are being told to stump up $10.00 per click. Will wait with baited breath as to Googles answer on this :o(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have had discussions with Google, not so much about brand bidding, but the price hike in general. I am still confused as to how it appears to be one rule for one, and another rule for others.</p>
<p>I was told that in my example, &#8220;canned cat food&#8221; had been shifted from $0.75 to $10.00 due to the new quality scoring algs they have introduced. However, with an average position of 2.3, a CTR of 7.4% and a page that is dedicated to the subject I am perplexed as to what else they expect.</p>
<p>I have asked why they don&#8217;t think my ad relevant to the phrase, yet the big corps such as EBay, are able to advertise the following;</p>
<p>Bargain Canned cat food<br />Fantastic low prices here.<br />Feed your passion on eBay.co.uk!<br /><a href="http://www.ebay.co.uk">http://www.ebay.co.uk</a></p>
<p>When you click on the link you are sent to the following page, which in my eyes, is of no use to the end user;<br /><a href="http://search.ebay.co.uk/canned-cat-food_W0QQfcclZ1QQfclZ4QQfnuZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1">http://search.ebay.co.uk/canned-cat-food_W0QQfcclZ1QQfclZ4QQfnuZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1</a></p>
<p>I also very much doubt EBay are being told to stump up $10.00 per click. Will wait with baited breath as to Googles answer on this :o(</p>
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		<title>By: Quality Nonsense</title>
		<link>http://www.here.org.uk/2006/12/my-discussions-with-google-re-brand-name-bidding-and-affiliate-landing-pages.html#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>Quality Nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've also spoken to Google about PPC affiliates and landing page changes. A number of my keywords have been hit by $5/$10 minimum bids and I know for certain other affiliates are bidding on the same popular (but targeted) terms and paying less. I was told: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"They investigated your account thoroughly and have assured me that your website, [URL here], has not been affected by landing page quality. As you may be aware, your Quality Score is the most important factor in determining your keyword performance. It is determined by your keyword's click-through rate (CTR) on Google, relevance of ad text, historical keyword performance, landing page quality and other relevancy factors. &lt;em&gt;Your keyword list is made up of extremely specific terms&lt;/em&gt; [my emphasis].  This may be affecting your Quality Score."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So as well as landing page factors, Google are apparently factoring in other metadata from AdWords accounts when they set these prohibitive minimum bids.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Several users over at &lt;a href="http://www.webmasterworld.com"&gt;WebmasterWorld&lt;/a&gt; have been told by Google reps to concentrate on broader terms with large negative keyword lists, instead of chasing 'the long tail' with exact match keywords.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a later email, I was told:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Finally, when I reviewed your campaign for the site [URL here], I noticed that you recently increased your Daily Budget and max CPC.  As a result, all your keywords are currently active."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interesting to see that budget makes a difference, given the discussion on Google price gouging over at &lt;a href="www.threadwatch.org/node/10124"&gt;Threadwatch&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also spoken to Google about PPC affiliates and landing page changes. A number of my keywords have been hit by $5/$10 minimum bids and I know for certain other affiliates are bidding on the same popular (but targeted) terms and paying less. I was told: </p>
<p>&#8220;They investigated your account thoroughly and have assured me that your website, [URL here], has not been affected by landing page quality. As you may be aware, your Quality Score is the most important factor in determining your keyword performance. It is determined by your keyword&#8217;s click-through rate (CTR) on Google, relevance of ad text, historical keyword performance, landing page quality and other relevancy factors. <em>Your keyword list is made up of extremely specific terms</em> [my emphasis].  This may be affecting your Quality Score.&#8221;</p>
<p>So as well as landing page factors, Google are apparently factoring in other metadata from AdWords accounts when they set these prohibitive minimum bids.</p>
<p>Several users over at <a href="http://www.webmasterworld.com">WebmasterWorld</a> have been told by Google reps to concentrate on broader terms with large negative keyword lists, instead of chasing &#8216;the long tail&#8217; with exact match keywords.</p>
<p>In a later email, I was told:</p>
<p>&#8220;Finally, when I reviewed your campaign for the site [URL here], I noticed that you recently increased your Daily Budget and max CPC.  As a result, all your keywords are currently active.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting to see that budget makes a difference, given the discussion on Google price gouging over at <a href="www.threadwatch.org/node/10124">Threadwatch</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.here.org.uk/2006/12/my-discussions-with-google-re-brand-name-bidding-and-affiliate-landing-pages.html#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent post; thank you for sharing your conversation with google  with us :) certainly saves alot of heart break and tears in the next coming months! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent post; thank you for sharing your conversation with google  with us <img src='http://www.here.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> certainly saves alot of heart break and tears in the next coming months! <img src='http://www.here.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I hope "Google's vision" doesn't get in the way of the numerous businesses that operate by being resellers, eg T-Mobile dealers, travel agents, insurance brokers, etc etc etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fsck Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I hope &#8220;Google&#8217;s vision&#8221; doesn&#8217;t get in the way of the numerous businesses that operate by being resellers, eg T-Mobile dealers, travel agents, insurance brokers, etc etc etc.</p>
<p>Fsck Google.</p>
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